㊣ALPS軸類零組件比較㊣

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  Daniel Beardsmore

  你知道從哪個鍵盤T8開關來了？

  2015-03-01
• 

  alps.tw

  2014.12.22更新OB5

  2014-12-22
• 

  alps.tw

  Xiang Min KSB-LE   ?

   

  拍攝正反面,,,與拍攝角度不同吧

  2014-07-13

  • 

    Daniel Beardsmore

    alps.tw wrote:

    Xiang Min KSB-LE   ?

     

    拍攝正反面,,,與拍攝角度不同吧

    我不明白。我還沒有發現任何人誰可以翻譯。

    ---

    如何：
    
    KSB-LE：alps.tw type T10
    我神秘的開關：alps.tw type T11
    
    我需要採取一些照片的神秘開關。

    2014-08-10
• 

  alps.tw

  左邊我暫定為OA1 ......右邊暫定為OA2

  因為OA1與OA2是可互換的,,可能只是不同批的上蓋而已

   

  Dih Shin  跟  Chicony  也有相當的合作關連... 

  Dih Shin 相信跟  Strongman 也有一些合作關係

  最初製品材料的提供者應該都是 Chicony

  不過 DS 2006  CHN 101既然有更明確的 廠牌名稱...改為 DinShin 也合理

  就如現在的KBtalKing 品牌,,,跟一些不同的製造廠都有合作關係的

   

  2014-07-13
• 

  alps.tw

  左邊我暫定為OA1 ......右邊暫定為OA2

  因為OA1與OA2是可互換的,,可能只是不同批的上蓋而已

   

  Dih Shin  跟  Chicony  也有相當的合作關連... 

  Dih Shin 相信跟  Strongman 也有一些合作關係

  最初製品材料的提供者應該都是 Chicony

  不過 DS 2006  CHN 101既然有更明確的 廠牌名稱...改為 Dih Shin 也合理

  另外DS 2006 CHN101 也有出現過 OA3 的 APC 軸

  就如現在的KBtalKing 品牌,,,跟一些不同的製造廠都有合作關係的

  一個型號出現很多種軸種,甚至一個型號也有很多外殼,,這都是常態

  2014-07-13
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  Also, I am still confused about which way around OA1 and OA2 are.

  

  2014-07-13
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  

  

  

  

  2014-07-12
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  一種新的開關！
  
  這是Hua-Jie AK-CN2和AK-CN2 (2)之間的半路上：

  http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/unusual-kpt-84-t8389.html

  當我已經完成我的服用KPT-84的照片，我可能會刪除一個開關，拆開它，並利用它更多的照片。

  你有我的允許使用我所有的照片。

  2014-07-12

  • 

    alps.tw

    Daniel_Beardsmore wrote:

    一種新的開關！
    
    這是Hua-Jie AK-CN2和AK-CN2 (2)之間的半路上：

    http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/unusual-kpt-84-t8389.html

    當我已經完成我的服用KPT-84的照片，我可能會刪除一個開關，拆開它，並利用它更多的照片。

    你有我的允許使用我所有的照片。

     

    疑似 編號  T 3

    回形螳螂腳 小三點 雙條

     

    2014-07-12
• 

  alps.tw

  Daniel_Beardsmore wrote:

  我已經給你郵寄到有人在Deskthority翻譯，因為使用谷歌，我不能把它翻譯 :-( 我會回應有關Yali一旦我有翻譯。
  
  關於“SKCMAF”，請看看我的新Alps開關列表：
  
  http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCL/SKCM_series#Variants
  
  你的意思是SKCMAF指Alps SKCM White？ （Sandy1994年的目錄賦予“SKCMAQ”為 SKCM White）
  
  如果沒有，你能指出哪個開關是指從該表？
  
  謝謝
  
  Daniel。

  ---

  I have given your post to someone at Deskthority to translate, as I cannot translate it using Google :-( I will respond about Yali once I have a translation.
  
  Regarding "SKCMAF", please see my new Alps switch list:
  
  http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCL/SKCM_series#Variants
  
  Do you mean that SKCMAF refers to Alps SKCM White? (Sandy's 1994 catalogue gives "SKCMAQ" for SKCM White)
  
  If it does not, could you indicate which switch it refers to from that table?
  
  Thank you
  
  Daniel.

   

  我指的SKCMAF只是一顆原生軸種的編號,, 在文的那當時旨在說明ALPS於原廠均有各自的料號

   

  但編號無法讓一般人立即聊解他是哪顆軸(也幾乎沒幾個人能聊解這些編號,以用家的立場來講，也無須聊解)

   

  以Big feet系列或原生軸系列（再以顏色細分各種軸,一般人就很容易聊解你在說的是哪顆軸）(藍軸？白軸粉紅軸？)

   

  而SKCMAF這編號的來源是我以前從某工廠的實物型錄上拍下來的資訊

   

  

  2014-01-18
• 

  roland77

  
  请教前辈，

  貌似此键盘Matias Tactile Pro4使用alps轴，前辈有无了解及评价？

  谢谢。

  The world is my oyster~

  2013-09-30

  • 

    roland77

    alps.tw wrote:

    roland77 wrote:

    
    请教前辈，

    貌似此键盘Matias Tactile Pro4使用alps轴，前辈有无了解及评价？

    谢谢。

     

    關於這把鍵盤,,我僅能講疑似 ALPS簡易軸或其他非原生軸類的ALPS軸類

    因為這個外型也有很多MX軸(譬如『台灣按』)

    此鍵盤沒碰過也沒拆過,,無法評價與確認軸種,,,基本上我認為它的C/P值不高

    多谢指教~

     

    The world is my oyster~

    2013-09-30
  • 

    alps.tw

    roland77 wrote:

    
    请教前辈，

    貌似此键盘Matias Tactile Pro4使用alps轴，前辈有无了解及评价？

    谢谢。

     

    關於這把鍵盤,,我僅能講疑似 ALPS簡易軸或其他非原生軸類的ALPS軸類

    因為這個外型也有很多MX軸(譬如『台灣按』)

    此鍵盤沒碰過也沒拆過,,無法評價與確認軸種,,,基本上我認為它的C/P值不高

    2013-09-30
• 

  roland77

  the best switch ever~

  The world is my oyster~

  2013-09-28

  • 

    roland77

    alps.tw wrote:

    roland77 wrote:

    孩提时代用过macintosh II的键盘拆开貌似就是alps（请前辈确认哦），记忆犹新。

     

     

    那時代的macintosh II  幾乎都是用ALPS原生軸家族...........................(你透露了你的年齡)

     

    无所谓啦，生于七零年代：）

    已成家有子嗣，忙忙碌碌都市庸人一个。

    The world is my oyster~

    2013-09-30
  • 

    alps.tw

    roland77 wrote:

    孩提时代用过macintosh II的键盘拆开貌似就是alps（请前辈确认哦），记忆犹新。

     

     

    那時代的macintosh II  幾乎都是用ALPS原生軸家族...........................(你透露了你的年齡)

    2013-09-30
  • 

    roland77

    alps.tw wrote:

    roland77 wrote:

    the best switch ever~

     

    難得一片Cherry MX的歡呼中,,還能獲得你的青睞

     

     

    The world is my oyster~

     

    孩提时代用过macintosh II的键盘拆开貌似就是alps（请前辈确认哦），记忆犹新。

     

    2013-09-30
  • 

    alps.tw

    roland77 wrote:

    the best switch ever~

     

    難得一片Cherry MX的歡呼中,,還能獲得你的青睞

    2013-09-28
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  是的，我会举每个图像的源地址（论坛主题）和您的姓名旁边的形象描述。
  
  谢谢你，你是最善良的。

  — Daniel.

  2013-05-26
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  oops

  2013-05-26
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  您好alps.tw的
  
  我们将被允许使用您的精彩开关和键盘照片在Deskthority维基？你有很多开关和键盘别人，这将是美妙的，如果我们能够在我们的wiki包括照片。
   

  http://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page

  
  如果是这样，我们把图像版权条款？
  
  此致
  
  丹尼尔。

  2013-05-26

  • 

    alps.tw

    Daniel_Beardsmore wrote:

    您好alps.tw的
    
    我们将被允许使用您的精彩开关和键盘照片在Deskthority维基？你有很多开关和键盘别人，这将是美妙的，如果我们能够在我们的wiki包括照片。
     

    http://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page

    
    如果是这样，我们把图像版权条款？
    
    此致
    
    丹尼尔。

     

    如果你詳細註明來源與出處及原始來源網頁,引用至WiKi~~這是可以的

     

    如果你详细注明来源与出处及原始来源网页,引用至WiKi~~这是可以的

     

    2013-05-26
• 

  alps.tw

  最後關於日本Filco公司的網頁曾經出現過的一些圖片所宣稱的XM白軸,,,

  那是不負責任的一個笑話,,,這方面我不想說太多.

  ---------------------------------------------------------

  Finally, on the Japanese the Filco company's website, there have been some pictures claimed XM white shaft,,,
  
  It was a joke, irresponsible, and I do not want to say too much.

   

   

  2013-03-13
• 

  alps.tw

   OA4我並沒有說他是最近的(1995年後)

  僅發現他曾經使用於KB-8851

  或者KB-8851某一批鍵盤,使用了前幾年的庫存開關零件

  就如 KBtalKing 台灣白軸 鍵盤生產於2008年,,

  而台灣白軸的開關卻是1995年左右生產而留下來的庫存零件

  尤其KB-8851這型號的鍵盤曾經安裝過至少 5~7 種不同的開關

  譬如 2008年生產的  KB - 8851鍵盤也有使用T1 的開關

  甚至一把KB-8851 裡同時也有混用多種開關的實例

  ====================================================

  OA4 I did not say he is a recent (1995)
  
  Only found he had used in the KB-8851
  
  Or KB-8851, a group of keyboard, use a few years ago, the stock switch parts
  
  As Taiwan white shaft Switch keyboard production KBtalKing Taiwan in 2008,
  
  Taiwan white shaft switch inventory parts production and left about 1995
  
  Particular model KB-8851 keyboard once installed at least 5 to 7 different switch
  
  For example, the 2008 production of KB - 8851 keyboard using the T1 switch
  
  Even a KB-8851 also mix switch instance

  2013-03-13
• 

  Daniel Beardsmore

  Hello Alps.tw

  Firstly, let me thank you sincerely for your hard work in compiling this gallery. It has been very valuable to me in my switch research.

  I have posted a list over at Deskthority of everything I've been able to identify so far, after discussions with various switch and keyboard manufacturers:

  http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps.tw_switch_gallery_key

  According to Himake (now part of Hua-Jie), AK-CN2 is "汉元原規格品", and they were founded in 1991. See http://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Hua-Jie_switches.png

  If this is true, T1 cannot be older than 1991. OA4 looks like an older T1 (because of the wide steel click leaf). The Strong Man KB-8851 here has Windows keys, so it must be from 1995 or later: http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/mech-kb/article?mid=1&prev=20&next=-1 — Is OA4 really that recent? The KB-8851 that he has, has different numbering to yours, but it appears that Himake used various numbering types.

  Finally, there is strong evidence that Hua-Jie and Xiang Min are related.

  It may be too difficult to discuss this via Google Translate, but I thought I would at least let you know how much progress has been made so far.

  I have not been able to get any response from Ortek or ELSA (iRocks?) but maybe you would have better luck in genuine Chinese ^_^

  Regards

  Daniel.

  您好Alps.tw
  
  首先，請允許我真誠感謝您的辛勤工作，在編制本畫廊。這是非常寶貴的，我在我的開關研究。
  
  我已經發布了過去的一切，我已經能夠識別到目前為止，各種開關和鍵盤製造商討論後，在Deskthority列表：
  
  http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps.tw_switch_gallery_key
  
  AK-CN2根據漢元電機股份有限公司（華捷），“汉元原規格品”，成立於1991年。見http://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Hua-Jie_switches.png
  
  如果這是真的，T1不能是老年人較一九九一年。 OA4看起來像舊的T1（因為廣鋼點擊葉），。Strong ManKB-8851這裡有Windows鍵，所以它必須是從1995年或更高版本：http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/mech-kb/article?mid=1&prev=20&next=-1 - OA4真是最近的嗎？ KB-8851說，他也有不同的編號，以你的，但它似乎台灣華傑股份有限公司 (Hua-Jie)使用不同的編號類型。
  
  最後，有強有力的證據表明，台灣華傑股份有限公司 (Hua-Jie)和祥敏企業有限公司 (Xiang Min, XM)是相關的。
  
  討論通過谷歌翻譯，可能是太困難，但我想我至少讓你知道已經取得了多大的進步至今。
  
  我一直沒能得到Ortek或ELSA（iRocks）的任何回應，但也許你會真正的中國有更好的運氣^ _ ^
  
  此致
  
  Daniel。

  2013-03-13
• 

  alps.tw

   關於T1的出現時間1990年是確認的...

  但確有一把鍵盤外殼內部的標籤貼了1986.xx

  或許只是亂貼,,又沒有其他佐證..所以也列入了參考

  關於表格所列的大約日期,,都沒經過生產廠的確認,,

  純粹是由鍵盤裡的標籤或電路版的日期來判斷

  或許那把鍵盤使用了較早生產的外殼所造成的

  所以1990年是確認的..1986~是未確認的
  ===================================================

  T1 emergence of time 1990 is confirmed ...

  But it does have a keyboard housing within the label 1986.xx

  Perhaps just Luantie, and no other evidence .. So also included in the reference

  On are listed in the table about the date, did not go through the confirmation of the production plant,

  Purely by the the keyboard label or circuit version date to determine

  Perhaps that use the keyboard to the earlier production casing caused by

  So 1990 is confirmed .. 1986 to unrecognized

  2013-03-01
• 

  alps.tw

   既然誤植,理應修正.(因為我獨缺FK-2001).

  不過台灣倒是出現很多型號一樣,但開關卻完全不同的情況,,,甚至滑套也不一樣顏色

  譬如KB-8851這個型號,,至少內裝過6種不同的開關

  最後,,感謝你的修正提醒,,乾杯..雖然我不喝酒..呵呵

   

  Since Mistransplant ought to be corrected. (Because of my lack of independence FK-2001).
  
  However, Taiwan touches a lot of models like the switch is completely different, and even the sleeve is not the same color
  
  For example, KB-8851 models, at least built over six different switch
  
  Finally, thank you for the correction remind Cheers .. Although I do not drink ..^_^

  2013-02-28
• 

  shachuang

  I should have understand your statement about classification at the top of ypur report.

   

  ------ quote --------------------------------------------

  >

  > 在此僅為大綱分類，以信號簧片(觸發簧片)及彈片(響片)分類,

  > 並不做細部零件差異的分類

  >

  ------ unquote ------------------------------------------

   

  In this context, I agree with you that OA1, OA2 and 簡易Ⅲ are same.  

  Front/rear switching blades and large tactile leaf... each parts are same among those three switches.

  So it could be said that deviding OA1 from OA2 is meaningless.

  Being said, OA1(and 簡易Ⅲ) could be excluded from switch type. 

   

  But I hope you examine  簡易Ⅲ which I found in my FK-2001.  

   

  Here is what I called 簡易Ⅲ. Unfortunately I already threw away the keyboard so I can't offer  larger

  pictures. Few pictures have been  left in my hard drive. 

   

  Pic #1
  

   

   

   As you can see, 簡易Ⅲ does not  have grooves for switching blades.   Existance of slits besids

  stem hole is just an additional feature here.   If the key　switch manufacturer used  ( or borrowed,  

  or copied, stole, whatever it is  ) newer alps mold as a source of this switch, then 簡易Ⅲ might

   not have slits.  So we may disregard slits now.

  Point is that both upper and lower housing of 簡易Ⅲ are same with genuine Alps.

  Basically switching blades of T( mantis) and OA class can't be used in genuine housings.  

  Blades will sit loosely and cause malfunction.  

  So how 簡易Ⅲ make it possible in a  combination of simplified blades and genuine upper housing.

   

  The answer is in next picture. 　

   

  Pic#2

  

   

   

  As you can see, there is a black square frame standing between front switching blade and rear

  switching blade.

  The frame prevents short circuit and at the same time it allows both blades being kept tight within

  a genuine style upper housing without separated groovs to hold blades.  Overall thickness of switching

  assembly with the frame  is almost same with genuine switching sub assy.

   

  If this frame is used in OA1,  then OA1 can take genuine upper shell.   But without the frame, lower part

  of OA1 needs a special upper shell which is designed exclusively for OA1 like the one in your original

  picture with a note "簡易Ⅲ" placed below OA2 header  .

   

  The mold used for upper shell of OA1 in your picture is a mixture of Genuine and Simplified.

  Outer image is based on genuine shell while inner construction is based on simplified shell.

   

  I think it's not  suitable to judge this difference as "diferent badges of shell" or "product of different periods".

  ( " 不同批外殼所造成的差異"　and  "不 同時期的産品"  in your original Chinese comment. ).

  I have a wild guess how these two switches  ( OA1 and 簡易Ⅲ) were made but it's another  story and not

  suitable here to talk about. 

   

  Long story short.

  These three switches are same as far as we forcus our eyes on switching parts and click leaf.

  As a key switch module, some may think they are same and the others may not.  I am the latter.

  But please don't  take me wrong.

  I think your classification using OA for these switches is quite reasonable.  

  I hope you  understand why I wrote following in previous comment.

  >  And I regret that OA3 was already used for another switch.  I think It should be kept for 簡易Ⅲ.

   

  簡易Ⅲ should have to be included in 簡易Ⅳas a sub model belonging to 簡易Ⅳ( for example,  

  " 簡易Ⅳ-2" or something like that)..  

  But so far, OA1 and 簡易Ⅲ are not same.

  So I think you'd better to show lower housing, stem and upper shell in different angle of OA1,　

  and hopefully delete  "日本呼称　簡易Ⅲ"  from explanation of OA1 

  Both OA1 and 簡易Ⅲwere made in the dark side of the moon...and it's better to be listed separately.

   

   

  BTW, Unless you are 100% confident about a source keyboard of your OA1,  you'd better  to delete

  "FK-2001" as a source keyboard.  It may miss lead  readers. 

  Off course, I know there is a possibility that it might  come from FK-2001 because Focus used various

  kind of  switches for FK-2001.  I do have OA2 version.  New Omron/clicky  version was also reported.  

  I may not  surprise if there is a T1(mantis) version.  

   

  I hope somebody translate this comment to propper Chinese ( not by google auto translation )  so that
  Chinese readers can understand what I really want to say.
  No hositility at all.  Rather, I really got impressed with your work.  

  Finally,
  Thanks for reading such a long comment

  Cheers! 
  sandy 

  2013-02-28
• 

  alps.tw

   我唯獨沒有 FK -2001這一型號的鍵盤 ,,,可能當初FK-2001是外銷的型號

  但我有 OA1 (無鍵盤) 與OA2  軸心開關 (有鍵盤)

  OA1僅是我從殘存的一些軸零件找到它與 OA2 的外殼不同,,而從日本的資料參考以為他就是簡易Ⅲ

  或許OA1僅僅是OA2 使用了不同批外殼所造成的差異..嚴格講起來這兩者僅能算是不同時期的產品

  
  I'm just not FK -2001 This type of keyboard, may be the original FK-2001 is the model of export

  But I have OA1 (no keyboard) with the OA2 axis switch ( have keyboard)

  OA1 only I find it OA2 shell axis from the remnants of some parts from Japan Reference think he is easy Ⅲ

  Perhaps OA1 only the OA2 use the differences caused by the different batches shell .. strictly speaking both of which can only be regarded as the product of different periods
   

  2013-02-25
• 

  shachuang

  alps.tw

  Thanks for your quick answer.   It seems like  my understanding is correct.

   

  Sorry but I can't unerstand following.

   

  而我身邊 獨缺少 FK2100, 導致了疏漏,,你說的沒錯,,FK2100的資訊是參考於日本的網頁

  I suppose you do not have FK-2001 with OA1 anymore. if so it's really bad.

  I wanted to examine its lower housing( shell) with your pictures.   As far as I can see,  it shold be identical with that of genuine old Alps.  

  I need  time for studying about these switches.

  Before I examine my thought  precisely,  I'd like to say following. 

  If we focus our eyes on switching mechanism and  parts mainly,  then these two might be almost same.

  But once we pay more attention on housings and how it is constructed as a switch, the story would be different.

  As you confirmed my question 3 and 4,  I can somehow imagine what is OA1.  

  And I regret that OA3 was already used for another switch.  I think It should be kept for 簡易Ⅲ. 

  I mean 簡易Ⅲ is different from OA1. 

   

   

  > Because this may be the appearance of differences between different batches of the shell mold

   

  I think it depend on how we take it.  

  Upper shell of OA1 and OA2 could be covered by " different batch of shell mold".

  But the diference between OA1 and 簡易Ⅲ can't be covered by " different batch of shell mold".

   I may report it latter, within few days.  

   

  So.... you don't have OA1 switch any more ?

  Anyway, thanks a lot. 

  sandy  

  2013-02-25
• 

  shachuang

   Hello, Mr. alps.tw

  I'm from Japan. I'm affraid but I can't read/write Chinese so please allow me to write in English.

  First of all, I really got impressed your great survey about ALPS類似軸.  Your report is really a good guidance for every

  keyboard maniacs inall over the world. 

  Though I can't read Chinese, your pictures teach me a lot .  

  Before I start  discussion about  OA1 and OA2 switches, I'd like to make clear some ambiguity seen in your report.

  Maybe Chinese readers can understand with brief explanation below OA1 but google translation from Chinese to

  Japanese or English dosen't  help me at all.

  So please correct me if I'm wrong.

  I understand as  follows

  1. OA1 came from Focus FK-2001

  2. OA2 came from Chicony DS2006  CHN101

  3. Large picture containing variouse images of switch ( top, bottom, switching plates  and such)  placed below OA1 header 

      actually belongs to OA2.  You put OA2 images there just as a reference because internals of  OA1 are quite identical with OA2.

      So again, these images are for OA2 removed from Chicony keyboard. 

  4.  Regarding a picture for upper housing comparison,  first two set noted as  簡易Ⅲ is OA1 from FK-2001 and  簡易Ⅳ is OA2

       from Chicony keyboard ( numbering  on the top of housing is differnt  from that of captured in large picture but  these two

       switches are basically sae and both belongs to same Chicony keyboard.   

  Could you please clarify above 1 through 4 if my understanding is correct or wrong?

  If possible, can you provide me details of FK-2001 from which you took OA1 switch, such as first two digit in serial number,

  year/date of birth stamped inside of  outer cases, any designations on PCB and country where the keyboard was made.

   

  I really appreciate your cooperation.

  I hope FK-2001 is still in your hand or at least some pictures are still kept in your hard drives.

  sandy
  neglect last g 

   

   

   

   

   

   

  sandy

   

  2013-02-24

  • 

    alps.tw

    shachuang wrote:

     Hello, Mr. alps.tw

    I'm from Japan. I'm affraid but I can't read/write Chinese so please allow me to write in English.

    First of all, I really got impressed your great survey about ALPS類似軸.  Your report is really a good guidance for every

    keyboard maniacs inall over the world. 

    Though I can't read Chinese, your pictures teach me a lot .  

    Before I start  discussion about  OA1 and OA2 switches, I'd like to make clear some ambiguity seen in your report.

    Maybe Chinese readers can understand with brief explanation below OA1 but google translation from Chinese to

    Japanese or English dosen't  help me at all.

    So please correct me if I'm wrong.

    I understand as  follows

    1. OA1 came from Focus FK-2001

    2. OA2 came from Chicony DS2006  CHN101

    3. Large picture containing variouse images of switch ( top, bottom, switching plates  and such)  placed below OA1 header 

        actually belongs to OA2.  You put OA2 images there just as a reference because internals of  OA1 are quite identical with OA2.

        So again, these images are for OA2 removed from Chicony keyboard. 

    4.  Regarding a picture for upper housing comparison,  first two set noted as  簡易Ⅲ is OA1 from FK-2001 and  簡易Ⅳ is OA2

         from Chicony keyboard ( numbering  on the top of housing is differnt  from that of captured in large picture but  these two

         switches are basically sae and both belongs to same Chicony keyboard.   

    Could you please clarify above 1 through 4 if my understanding is correct or wrong?

    If possible, can you provide me details of FK-2001 from which you took OA1 switch, such as first two digit in serial number,

    year/date of birth stamped inside of  outer cases, any designations on PCB and country where the keyboard was made.

     

    I really appreciate your cooperation.

    I hope FK-2001 is still in your hand or at least some pictures are still kept in your hard drives.

    sandy
    neglect last g 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     OA1與OA2的內部活動組件是完全相同的

    兩者僅在於外殼的些微相異  ( 這或許不應將兩者歸類為不同種 )

    因為這有可能是不同批外殼模具所造成的外觀差異

    所以OA1也可以說等於OA2 

    而我身邊 獨缺少 FK2100, 導致了疏漏,,你說的沒錯,,FK2100的資訊是參考於日本的網頁

    謝謝你的說明

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    OA1 and OA2 internal activities of the components are identical

    Both only slightly different is that the housing (which perhaps should not be classified as different species)

    Because this may be the appearance of differences between different batches of the shell mold

    So OA1 can also be said to equal OA2

    To me alone lack FK2100, led to omissions, you're right, FK2100 information page reference to Japan

    Thank you for the description

    2013-02-24
• 

  shachuang

   test again

  sandy

   

  2013-02-23
• 

  alps.tw

    

  970602..970916..980528...991027....991231...

   

  原文有局部添補,,但鍵盤就慢慢整理完再來介紹好了

  2010-12-31
• 

  季羅

  不過有一點很奇怪...先前有些軸打起來就是怪怪的，都需要按好幾次才會出字...結果過陣子卻自己好了，換成別的字......不知道跟電路版有沒有關係......（確認都沒碰到水～不過按壓的力道應該算蠻大的...沒辦法，太大隻了...Orz......）

   

   

  2009-05-27

  • 

    alps.tw

    季羅 wrote:

    不過有一點很奇怪...先前有些軸打起來就是怪怪的，都需要按好幾次才會出字...結果過陣子卻自己好了，換成別的字......不知道跟電路版有沒有關係......（確認都沒碰到水～不過按壓的力道應該算蠻大的...沒辦法，太大隻了...Orz......）

     

    那是簧片開始變形與劣化的初步（請確認你沒有將其他手指輕放在其他鍵帽上）

               可將那兩顆暫時與其他很少用的兩顆對調..譬如右上六顆鍵

     

    再怎麼大隻也沒有奕之華的大隻....科科

    2010-12-31
  • 

    chens

    季羅 wrote:

    不過有一點很奇怪...先前有些軸打起來就是怪怪的，都需要按好幾次才會出字...結果過陣子卻自己好了，換成別的字......不知道跟電路版有沒有關係......（確認都沒碰到水～不過按壓的力道應該算蠻大的...沒辦法，太大隻了...Orz......）

     

     cherry原廠的話，且發生問題的軸一樣的話，我建議你把那顆軸拆了細部分解再重組。

     

    搞不好只是簧片卡住而已，我以前有碰過。XD 有鐵板的他廠，請準備焊槍。

     

     

    2009-05-28
• 

  季羅

  恩...小弟目前所使用的Cherry青軸有些鍵就無法直接馬上打出字，要按大力些才行......這是鍵腳接觸不良了嗎？ 才使用了2年多......

   

   

  2009-05-27

  • 

    alps.tw

    季羅 wrote:

    恩...小弟目前所使用的Cherry青軸有些鍵就無法直接馬上打出字，要按大力些才行......這是鍵腳接觸不良了嗎？ 才使用了2年多......

     

    若是一般的講法,,此時可以說軸已經糊了,,或說已經老化了,,,季羅自己換一顆就好了,,,沒問題的,,你行的

    2009-05-27
• 

  Mr_Book

  大一點是不是耐用度上會比小一點好阿....？

  小三點好像又更耐用0.0還是說根本無關呢？

  2009-05-27

  • 

    alps.tw

    Mr_Book wrote:

    大一點是不是耐用度上會比小一點好阿....？

    小三點好像又更耐用0.0還是說根本無關呢？

    大一點是不是耐用度上會比小一點好阿....？,,,,我認為是

    小三點好像又更耐用0.0還是說根本無關呢？......我認為否,,可能並不完美

     

    耐共度的問題對於機械鍵盤並不是考慮的重點...雖然也很重要,,,但第一前提應是手感擺第一.,,,

    更何況真實使用10年..11年,, 12年,,,會左右你的購買意願嗎?

    不要宣稱可用2000萬次,,確有很多人使用不到20萬次就有零件要換的情形就好,,,

    2009-05-27
• 

  rightv

  我的天啊!!這麼多!!

  真是太厲害了!

  2009-05-26

  • 

    alps.tw

    rightv wrote:

    我的天啊!!這麼多!!

    真是太厲害了!

    一點也不多,,這僅是大科目,,,

     

    若再細分顏色,, 彈片搭配,,滑片的相異,,

     

    總數大概40~50種跑不掉

    2009-05-27
• 

  奕之華

   科科，我對alps.tw所下的評語，雖然很主觀，但我認為並不過份，只要與他聊過，可以理解他所提的，大概就知道對於ALPS軸的相關研究，真的有很優的見解。老實說，其實我很想只辦單純alps.tw的課程呀，但我怕這樣會嚇跑一堆入門者呀。

  事實上這也是我一直想突破的點，像現在alps.tw所提的東西，甚或是以前chens所提的東西，事實上，非常不適合讓入門者了解（但對於有興趣者來說，會覺得很棒）。在大約兩、三年前，我就想有系統來解決這樣的問題。所以別以為今天我的哈啦打屁，是臨時湊出的，事實上，那是我當時所構思的草稿（哭哭，過了兩、三年，還是草稿）

  最重要的目的，就是要讓完全對鍵盤沒概念，甚或是沒有特別興趣的朋友，能夠極快速入門。我的做法，是想藉著2003年我曾寫過的鍵盤入門東西，再配合我今天講的。再找像alps.tw這樣的人，請他們再往中階層次方面來寫。兩者相結合，架構出一套完整的鍵盤世界觀。

  嗯，希望明年年底，我們可以做到這樣的程度。

   

  ( ￣ c￣)y▂ξ這就是人生呀

   

  2009-05-25
• 

  pennyken

  高雄場有差阿

  台北場就比較雜

  下次還是要找類似教室的地方才方便啊

   

   

  2009-05-24
• 

  chens

   

  主辦單位沒給alps.tw教授準備投影機跟雷射筆真是可惜了。

  老實說，大一點、小一點、小三點我也是課後跟教授請教才勉強瞭解，

  如果能配上圖片搭配教授詳細的講解，應該會很精彩。

   

   

  2009-05-24
• 

  季羅

  經過站聚alps老師精闢的講解，搭配有實體的軸可拆可摸（甚至還有軸跟拔鍵器免費帶回家！）及各類鍵盤試打...回到家又有圖文並冒的文章可供參考～各位對alps軸是否有更進一步的瞭解了呢？感謝辛苦的alps老師阿！ 

   

   

  2009-05-24
• 

  albert0507

  果然跟alps.tw在站聚上講的

  回家看論壇的文章就很清楚了

  也謝謝alps.tw兩顆白軸的紀念品

  alps軸對於比較慢進入機械式鍵盤的人

  還是相對陌生一點點

  因為市面上常見的還是cherry吧

  我是肥克斯~

   

  2009-05-24